2023-09-11 DevEx Meetup Notes

Sep 11, 2023


Please be advised: DevExp Working Group meetings are recorded.

Link: (posted after meeting)


Meeting captain: @Kyle McCormick

Notetaker: @Rebecca Graber (Deactivated)

Discussion topics





Start the Meet recording!


Scheduled Topics / Demos

  • [Becca] Huge dev image

    • We spent the whole time on this :)

    • Discovery! It’s the huge APP_USER_ID (~2.1 billion) that Becca has which is causing the image to be ~700GB.

      • a buffer overflow perhaps?

    • Open question: is it a macOS thing, or a 2U IT management software thing?

    • Open question: is the image actually coming out 700GB, or is Docker confused and just thinks it’s that big?

      • (regardless, it takes multiple minutes to export the image…)

    • Kyle has reproduced this Linux box by building with APP_USER_ID=2000000000, so it’s not specific to macOS or to OrbStack.

  • [Kyle] quicker artifact copying

    • Tabled until next time

Cross Pollination

  • Tools/features/opportunities

  • Tips and tricks

  • Roadmap news

  • a 2U enterprise team is trying out OEP-37 dev data

    • (anyone can try that out!)

  • OrbStack is in 2U vendor review

    • 2U is likely to recommend OrbStack (closed-source) for Devstack, with Colima (F/OSS) as a recommended alternative

  • Kyle still using improved Tutor build prototype, Régis is reviewing



  • Each challenge should have a follow up action.

  • If you have an idea for follow up actions, add it.

  • Or if you aren’t sure, leave it blank.

  • We’ll discuss all actions either way.



  • DevExp wins!


Suggested Action Items

Last Time:

@Kyle McCormick review Jeremy’s doc, add details about Tutor changes in Palm
@Rebecca Graber (Deactivated) to check Tutor on ARM again
@Kyle McCormick switch invite to Meet
@Kyle McCormick @Régis B. work on tutor dockerfile & automatic mounting of custom packages
Ticketed & in progress

This Time:

@Kyle McCormick try Colima
@Kyle McCormick review Jeremy’s doc, add details about Tutor changes in Palm

After the meeting…

  • Make an agenda for next time (tip: copy this page).

  • Axim: Paste in the Zoom link once it’s ready.

  • Paste these notes and next week’s agenda in #wg-developer-experience